Most of these statues are located in southern states where the Confederacy is a big part of the history and culture of those Americans born and raised in the south. While maybe some of these monuments were erected with prejudice and racial overtones in mind they still depict the history of our forefathers and the framing of our nation.
Will we allow political correctness take this one step farther ???... several presidents Washington and Jefferson unashamedly owned slaves...do we remove these as well ??? More than likely a lot of these Confederate statues depict figures who neither owned slaves or even believed in slavery. They may have just been caught up in the circumstances of where they lived to fight for the Confederacy.
The BatBlog in it's travels has seen several Confederate statues and never once thought they represented racism or prejudice. I always felt they were to represent history and to honor the brave soldiers who fought on both sides. These monuments have now become another talking point that after all these years all of sudden have become controversial and divisive...Just plain Silly...Save Our Statues !!!
I think a reasonable compromise can be made regarding the confederate statues. Simply erect statues of union generals/soldiers next to the confederate ones, with a big statue of William Tecumseh Sherman in the middle of downtown Atlanta. History preserved, heritage respected, problem solved.
ReplyDeleteGood point !!!
DeleteCindiloohoo has an excellent idea.
DeleteCorrect me if I'm wrong, but was not the civil war more about states rights rather than just slavery? Slavery is a sad part of our history (as it is with most other countries and civilizations), but it is a part of our history. It can't be erased or undone by tearing down statues. Instead we should all focus on the the fact that there is one supreme race, the human race. Let's remember our negative history so we don't repeat it. Just my two cents.
ReplyDeleteNice post Anon. !!!
DeleteIf muh HIS'try correct....be'n able ta have slave(s) WAS the big argument on 'States Rights'.....but, I could be wrong.....
DeleteNO man......should be slave to anuther.....PERIOD....
FWIW....Monuments that stand, be it Confed's, or Union....it IS part the hist'try this nation.....an' they should be left alone.....don' like'em?....walk past, and don' look at it/ref'rence it.....
For the life of me I can't understand why after all these years of the civil rights movement, suddenly these Confederate statues are now offensive. Probably some were erected with prejudice in mind... but my guess is most confederate soldiers never owned or even supported slavery.
DeleteThese monuments are to honor the history and the legacy of southerners many of whom gave their lives for what they thought was right at that time. No one should feel offended by these memorials of years gone by...
It's easy to say no one should be offended when it wasn't your grandparents enslaved. That ease, that not getting the offense, is white privilege. It doesn't effect you, so it's not a big deal.
DeleteThese type of monuments are intended to honor those depicted, not just teach their role in (a bad) history. If you want them to teach history, put them in a history museum.
States do not have rights. People do. Slavery was a gross violation of people's rights. Maybe some fought for some wrong-headed idea of states' rights, but they were wrong and ignorance is nothing to celebrate.
So..... Why was this not an issue for the last eight years? Perfect opportunity for hope and change....
DeleteWhy do you assume it wasn't?
DeleteBecause no one uttered nary a word about it, duh.
DeleteThe Kentucky Motto of "United we stand, divided we fall" was adopted to heal the wounds of the war. The City of Louisville made a horrible mistake
ReplyDeletein removing the Third Street Monument.
Where is it now?
America went through the invasion and occupation and survived. It is time to utilize ALL of our historical monuments to remember past conflicts and mistakes and not become a Communist country. History should be utilized to teach
and remind future generations.
Even the 'fleur-de-lis' symbol would have to be removed from all things Louisville.
The Civil War was finished over 150 years ago. Our history should be left intact to teach and remind. The 'East Coast/New England Media' and 'foreign money/power brokers' are seeking to divide us and shift our focus from the greatness
of America, our opportunities, and the challenges that the USA faces.
Jeffersonville was named after Thomas Jefferson,
as was Jefferson County, Kentucky.
Remember, that there are soldiers buried in Jeffersonville
going back the war with England and the Civil War.
We have a lot of history and may be getting
a Civil War Museum to be added to the
Historic Civil War Discovery Trail.
History Tourism is an excellent learning tool.
History is fun and educational. Utilize it.
Click: http://www.civilwardiscoverytrail.org/select_state.php
Then click on Indiana and Kentucky to read some interesting history.
History is very important.
ReplyDeleteHistory at our doorstep:
Civil War Discovery Trail
Six Sites listed for Indiana
Click:
http://www.civilwardiscoverytrail.org/site_list.php?state=IN
Corydon Battlefield
General Lew Wallace Study and Museum
Historic Eleutherian College
John Hunt Morgan Heritage Trail
Lincoln Amphitheater and Lincoln State Park
Lincoln Boyhood Home National Memorial
53 Sites Listed in Kentucky
Click:
http://www.civilwardiscoverytrail.org/site_list.php?state=KY
Abraham Lincoln Birthplace National Historical Park
Ashland: The Henry Clay Estate
Battle of Richmond
Battle of Sacramento Driving Tour
Behringer-Crawford Museum
Camp Nelson
Camp Wildcat Civil War Battlefield
Cave Hill Cemetery and Arboretum
Civil War Driving Tour of Bowling Green and Warren County
Columbus-Belmont State Park
Cumberland Gap National Historical Park
Downtown Paducah Civil War Walking Tour
Farmington Historic Plantation
Fort Duffield Park and Historic Site
Fort Smith
Frankfort Cemetery
General John Hunt Morgan's Brandenburg Raid
Green Hill Cemetery
Hart County Historical Society Museum
Historic Homes and Landmarks Tour of Lebanon
Hunt-Morgan House
Ivy Mountain Battlefield
Jefferson Davis Memorial Historic Site
Jefferson Davis Monument State Historic Site
Kentucky Gateway Museum Center
Kentucky Military History Museum
Kentucky State Capitol
Leslie Morris Park at Fort Hill
Lexington Cemetery
Mary Todd Lincoln House
Middle Creek National Battlefield
Mill Springs Battlefield
Morgan's Raids at Cynthiana
Mountain Homeplace
Octagon Hall Museum/Kentucky Confederate Studies Archive
Old Bardstown Village Civil War Museum
Old Fort Harrod State Park
Old Washington
Perryville Battlefield Preservation Association
Perryville Battlefield State Historic Site
Pewee Valley Confederate Cemetery and Monument
Riverview at Hobson Grove
Shaker Museum at South Union
Simpson County Archives and Museum (old Simpson County Jail And Jailer's Residence)
Spalding Hall
Tebbs Bend -Green River Bridge Battlefield
The Homeplace
The Samuel May House Living History Museum
The Shaker Village of Pleasant Hill
Town of Perryville
Waveland
White Hall State Historic House
Zollicoffer Park
http://www.civilwardiscoverytrail.org/site_list.php?state=IN
"Childhood friends and classmates at West Point"
ReplyDeleteAn example that is only an hour drive straight down Hwy-31
South from Jeffersonville:
Hart County's seat of government is Munfordville, site of a Civil War battle in 1862. The museum includes Civil War memorabilia related to the battle of Munfordville natives, Confederate Brig. Gen. Simon Bolivar Buckner (later governor of Kentucky) and Union Maj. Gen. Thomas Wood. Buckner and Wood were childhood friends and classmates at West Point, an association that well illustrates Kentucky's deep divisions during the Civil War. Museum staff can direct you to sites of the Battle of Munfordville.
www.hartcountymuseum.org
History is important.
45 minutes south from Jeffersonville
ReplyDeletein Bardstwon, KY
Women’s Museum of the Civil War
"The interesting Women’s Museum of the Civil War specializes in the fascinating history of the female writers, spies, nurses, administrators
and combat soldiers of the period.
We believe it is the only museum of it’s kind in the country.
The Civil War Museum & the Women’s Museum of the Civil War are America’s largest and most complete Museums devoted to the Western Theater of the American Civil War. Over 8000 Square feet of authentic period exhibits tell of the struggle between the forces of the Union and Confederacy, from the Appalachian Mountains west to the Mississippi and south to Georgia and the Gulf of Mexico.
The Museums are located in downtown Bardstown, Kentucky, in the center of the beautiful Bourbon country. Bardstown is just one hour West of Lexington, off the Bluegrass Parkway, and 45 minutes South of Louisville, off Highway 65.
http://civil-war-museum.org/
Bardstown has a Museum Row.
Congratulations to the Award Winning Bat Blog
ReplyDeleteArts and History
The C-J and the N-T are missing a lot
while the Bat Blog is promoting neat area history.
The Newsandtribune needs to research
the effort that may obtain a unique history museum
for Jeffersonville. Several college professors and historians
are involved with the City of Jeffersonville's History plan.
The Big 4 Bridge and Park and Colston Park
are being evaluated for a Jeffersonville history preservation site.
Several distinct and intertwined cultures come together at the historic site.
'History Tourism' is good education for children and families
and it promotes Jeffersonville's growing economy.
Additionally, an outdoor theatre HISTORICAL
drama presentation may be
coming to the
Downtown
area.
History comes alive in Jeffersonville!
If we erase slavery from our history don't we also have to erase those that stood against if? Can't be against something that never existed. Underground Railroad gone, Rosa Parks gone. Can't undo one side of history without undoing the other as well.
ReplyDeleteAnother good point...
DeleteAppreciation to my father who shared with me on the topic of this web site, this webpage is genuinely awesome.
ReplyDeletehttp://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/849066
ReplyDeleteThe real reason for the civil war. Stated rights, not slavery.
I can respect those who are offended that traitors who fought to keep people
ReplyDeleteenslaved are memorialized and exalted by statues in public places.
So, even though it doesn't bother me, I get it.
But, either way, taking them down or keeping them up is not worth
the death of a single person.- Goliath
Yankees Go Home!
Deletecould git interest'n in Texas.....
Deletehttp://libertyparkpress.com/police-warn-protesters-texas-gun-owners-can-shoot-you-on-sight-if-you-mess-with-our-statues/
Shame on you!
DeleteYou know that the 'War of Northern Aggression'
was NOT fought over slavery, but that the 'Yankee States of America',
in the extreme Northeast, that were controlled by the Elitist Banking Centers in New York and Boston, caused the entire
INVASION and war.
Remember, that the South wanted the entire black population
to have full voting rights in the congressional elections
and those population numbers to be counted FULLY
in the apportionment of the congress.
The Ruling east Cost Elitist Yankees said "NO"
to the rights of the African Americans
and came up with the horrid 3/5th
voting rule.
The South rebelled.
The Southern States were denied the right to trade directly with Europe and they rebelled against that tyrannical rule by New York City
and Boston banking cartel.
Slavery was almost at an end by 1960. The extensive system
of "indentured servitude" in the North of both black and white immigrants, run by the bankers, was still in effect. The slavery argument is a con
by the elitist banking cartel.
The Southerners were the first "Occupy Wall Street" protesters
and they were invaded by the banking cartels for it.
The Powerful 'Eastern Interests'
are STILL fighting a war against the people of America.
Our history should remain and remind us of the mistakes of the North and the South as the monuments were intended to be part of the healing process. Attacking them now, 150 years later, is wrong. Add to the monuments if it is thought to be helpful, but do NOT tear down
America like some Communist Dictatorship.
The new target of the hate and abuse in America
is the group now denigrated by the Elites
as the "Basket of Deplorables".....
The All-Powerful Northern East Coast Banking and Corporate Cartel
is playing the game against America all over again.....
It is going to backfire badly on the Elites again
and the country will suffer even more.
Wow!
DeleteThank you!
1860.
DeleteThe controversy over removing these statues has created another divide in an already tenuous relationship between races...not worth a death or creating another issue to divide us and bring racism and bigotry back to the forefront.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.answers.com/Q/Did_France_have_slaves_during_the_1800's
ReplyDeleteI guess the Statue of Liberty will have to go as well.
My young daughter has this take on it that I have not seen expressed or written.
ReplyDeleteInstead of being oppressed by the statues or monuments, the oppressed person(s) should see standing in front of the monument as a victory. But for the fact that they can stand in a spot once forbidden and protest its existence as oppressive, is a victory and should serve to instill pride that these practices are no longer common. The statue should help them feel resolve and pride that society now accepts anyone to publicly denounce oppression. Removing them only helps erase the efforts and sacrifices made in the fight for equality.
No, they would rather have their way because they hate the President. If Hillary would have been President, these statues would not even be an issue. The "disgrace" is those who suddenly woke up one day and decided all of these statues must go...good grief get over yourself.
DeleteA very wise daughter indeed!
DeleteAnother good post ! Lots of good insight on this subject...
ReplyDeletethese statues have always been an issue for descendants of slaves. it's high time they are removed from public spaces. Put them in a museum.
ReplyDeleteReally...well funny that the entire time a black man was in office no one had issue enough to protest or call on him to remove them. I say its all political rubbish. Slavery was part of history and everyone needs to be reminded of it the next time they think they have it so bad.
DeleteTrump isn't being called on to remove many either. Most of these are state, municipal or university monuments.
DeleteOkay, but is it just a coincidence that none of this was ever an issue until Trumps Presidency? I think not.
DeleteTrendy
ReplyDeleteI have issues with people who march up and down the street chanting we want dead cops . Funny how no one seems to remember that. Takes both sides to cause a fight .
ReplyDeleteRemember when Republican Conservatives all got together to protest and tear up statues and set buildings on fire and chant that cops need to die....yep....me neither.
ReplyDeleteTrump Derision Syndrome Exposure
ReplyDeleteA Teaching Moment from the Award Winning Bat Blog
Note that the Crooked East Coast Media
has 'Magically' changed the tern "white supremacist"... to "white nationalist".
Funny how that English language usage "magically occurred"....
OMG. What a mass media insult to English teachers in America!
Race 'Supremacist' and 'nationalist' are totally
different concepts.
The discussion is about economics and freedoms
to continue our special American benefits.
The opportunities
in America are the greatest in the world.
The context in which the "manipulative media" uses the terms as interchangeable
is degrading to the country and is intentionally harmful.
Being a person who supports America is not a bad thing.
It is a good thing.
America is a nation, not a race. Nationalists are not of a specific race
in America and the term is inclusive of ALL American citizens.
The hateful 'Race Card' that the mass media plays to intentionally try to divide us is a terrible attempt at manipulation of Americans. The 'Identity Politics' of race being feebly exploited by the crooked media to separate us is "a weak attempt to weave a misleading web of hate and deceit".
It has failed. No one bought it.
It is really unreal the level of artificial manipulation, hatred and deceit
that the mass media utilizes CONSTANTLY to try to manipulate the masses.
President Donald J. Trump is working to save the country
and repair the extreme damage that has been done
to our FREEDOMS and out ECONOMY.
The 70,000 factories that have been lost due to NAFTA are an example of how all races, especially the African Americans in the Rust Belt cities
and elsewhere have been harmed by Clinton's N.A.F.T.A.
AND "the failure of subsequent presidents
to re-negotiate those horrible tariff agreements".
Years of massive job loses and economic damage
to all of America's citizens is partially due to horrible trade policies
and stultifying unequal tariff barriers. Other unwise tax and regulatory policy has also contributed greatly to our demise.
Obama and
'Crooked Hillary'
wanted to make it worse with TPP,
the dangerous Myth of Global Warming fiasco, and their lack of effort with retreading the trade agreements with the European Union and others.
Gulp.
Crooked Hillary and Obama
did mange to cut a crooked deal
with the Russians to sell them 20%
of our uranium supply to help their nuclear warhead development.....
None of these prior presidents of the USA
since NAFTA's inception
have renegotiated the tariffs
for our COLLECTIVE NATIONAL benefit.
NAFTA was to have been renegotiated EACH year!
America citizens individually suffer and the NATION has suffered collectively
due to crooked , incompetent leadership and Globalist, anti-American policies
of the elites.
Exposing the Globalist Elites and the Media
The East Coast Media childishly 'morphs' the irrelevant term of 'supremacist'
into 'nationalist' to try to continue the destruction of America
with a Hegelian "Divide and Conquer" plan.
The Globalists, the DNC, George Soros and others create and fund
the totally fabricated "Front Groups" to artificially protest
and violently disrupt to create the CONTRIVED IMAGES
for the East Coast Media to then to try to exploit
deceptively manipulate public opinion.
Sooooo pathetic and it is not working.
USA! USA! USA!
Bat Blog History
ReplyDeleteClark County, Indiana
Advance scouts, called 'cadets',
camped at the corner of two dirt wagon trails
called Perry Crossing Road and Columbus-Mann Road
during one of the raids into Indiana by John Hunt Morgan,
"The Thunderbolt of the Confederacy".
That is near the confluence of the Silver Creek,
Union, and Carr Township lines in Clark County.
Who was 'Perry Crossing' named after?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Battle_of_Corydon_with_Morgan%27s_Raid_in_southern_Indiana_copy.jpg
https://www.co.clark.in.us/index.php/about-clark-county-indiana/clark-county-indiana-townships
ReplyDeleteBat Blog History
ReplyDeleteImportant Rail Shipping
from Indianapolis to Louisville/Jeffersonville
The railroad stop/shipping point
at historic 'Perry Crossing' located North of the Sellersburg area
and South of the Memphis area, was one of the areas scouted
by advance units for Col. John Hunt Morgan on one of his
raids into Indiana, the famous July 1863 raid.
I don't think they should be destroyed but they don't need to have a place of prominence. Statues are to honor someone, and even if you don't think that highlighting the stain of slavery is bad enough, then remember those statues represent men who wanted to tear the country apart in order to have free labor. They put their own and the rest of the good ole boys' financial comfort over the good of the country. BUT this is just one other contradiction from Trump. He said he doesn't like losers, but if they are racist losers, he doesn't mind. And add Ole Joe on the heap. Another big loser he likes.
ReplyDeleteAward Winning Bat Blog Update
ReplyDelete"The Resistance of Those Dang Deplorables!"
'The War of Northern Aggression'
Remember, the NEW ENGLAND Yankees, controlled by the BANKING CARTEL
in Boston and New York, and their "client states", INVADED the South.....
The current 'East Coast Media Power Brokers' and the special interest Globalists
are STILL fighting that war against "The Basket of DEPLORABLES",
the Mid-West, The West, and the South.
President Donald J. Trump is trying to restore our economy and freedoms
to allow the African Americans and all others to rise
against the current Tyranny of the "Democrat Yankee
Plantation Control System" that the Left operates.
Yankee Go Home!
Drain the Swamp!
"Back in the 18th century,
political reformer Henry Fox was advocating
giving the vote to more people. But only, he insisted,
to what he called ‘the better sort’. Not ‘the mob or the mere dregs
of the people’. Heaven forbid!"
Read and Resist the East Coast Overlords:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4258522/A-poisonous-conviction-taking-root-Left.html
Very Interesting!
Bat Blog Elitist Watch
ReplyDeleteCrooked Hillary, Slick Willie, and the Ruling Globalist Overlords
that hold down the African-Americans
and all others not in the Elites
lost the election in 2016
and are still badly loosing the continuing battle.
2018 and 2020 will see even greater losses for the Elites.
The daily coordinated, complicit tantrums from the poor media
resulting from their baaaad case of the 'Trump Derision Syndrome'
is fun to watch! :) ;) :)